today by a group of house freshmen with their announcing their support even though their plan is not as big as they wanted it to be, but a short time ago senate majority leader harry reid warned that the bill will be rejected in short order. >> as soon as the house completes the vote tonight or this afternoon, the senate will move to take up that message that they sent to us. it will be defeated. they know that. >> so, no word as of yet from the president today on the standoff. earlier today, press secretary jay carney said that any bill would have to absolutely extend the debt ceiling until 2013, and nbc's kristen welker joins me from the white house. also in the press briefing, jay carney said that the bill being worked on right now is d.o.a. when it reaches the senate. >> yes, that is right. hello, thomas. good afternoon to you. he said it is d.o.a. and 58 senators have said they will come out to vote against it and he reiterated the call that the white house is not going to get behind anything that is not a long-term increase of the debt ceiling. but you know, people have been pushing t